Idan Zuckerman, Upland’s co-founder and co-CEO joins YK2012 for a discussion on everything about the Upland Metaverse – the vision, decentralization, the Upland economy and debunking some of these myths, and the UIP-1 proposal.
How the community pool can be transferred to be owned by the community.
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hello everyone I’m YK 2012 founder of the Upland guide and I’m here with upland’s co-founder and co-ceo Idan
Zuckerman thank you very much for joining me how are you I’m doing absolutely great how are you
I’m great thank you for joining me um we have a lot of things going on in Upland we’ve got a big announcement
coming up soon if you want to talk about that that’s great but if you don’t I totally understand
um but we are here to talk about not only the uip one proposal but also
upland’s economy a little bit about the vision of Upland we’re going to talk about decentral decentralization as well
and the first thing that I want to kind of talk to the uh the first thing I want
to talk to my followers and everyone watching is that if you’re just an average player and maybe you own a
couple of properties maybe you’re a new up lender or someone who’s Pro and you haven’t really been involved in Upland
for too long I think that this discussion is going to be extremely valuable to you because I’m going to try
and picky done’s brain and trying to understand the long-term vision and where Upland is going I believe that
people who are able to understand that will be able to adapt their strategy and
what they want to accomplish in this game and I think it’s going to be a very helpful conversation for someone who
doesn’t know all the intricacies of Upland and trying to still grasp what this metaverse is all about before I get
into the questionings do you questions do you have anything to add to that uh no it was a good interesting job so
let’s just I’m happy to have this conversation hopefully people find this useful uh as they make up their minds about uh this uh very first note I would
just say it again you know um it’s easy to forget that we’re celebrating kind of like the Genesis of being even bringing
forth the ability to uh consult with our community and take their feedback not just as kind of like uh let’s call it in
a subjective manner but in actual you know uh an actual vote that shows us where the community stands uh in terms
of different opinions about different subjects so first of all I think it’s good to celebrate that and then you know
whatever the outcome is we’re gonna act accordingly great so you talked about this vote so you actually opened up this
proposal to all of the up lenders who essentially have gone through the kyc process and own a Upland home and have
designated that within the game and you are opening up a vote to them this is something that’s very different than
when we look and see what’s happened recently with Elon Musk purchasing Twitter he walks into the place with a
with a kitchen sink and he’s going and he’s making lots of changes unilaterally and he owns the company and he can do
that essentially you guys could also do that but you have decided to go a different route and not just make
changes unilaterally but say we’re going to present this to our community and we want your input why is that important to
you guys yeah there are a couple of things there I think yes you are corrected we do have
the technical ability to make this unilateral changes uh but I I think
there are a couple of things first of all we’re talking about web 3 communities Community is the most important thing right so when we make
very significant changes we at some points would want to dodge basically the uh the sentiment of the community and at
some points you know get the communities also approval and buy-in uh so the main
reason why we’re doing it is because this change that we are proposing which is what what we think is the right thing
to do the right thing for the long term uh health of the economy it does have
some conflict with how it was portrayed originally in the white paper and we take that very seriously right because
again we don’t just say things uh just to say them right we we lay out our vision we act upon our vision and if we
see that we need to make changes especially when we’ve uh you know put it down in writing black and white for
people to to read and compile before they decide whether or not they want to participate in this in this economy in
this game uh then if we make these changes that kind of like to some degree
contradict what was in the white paper we want to seek the community’s approval because if if the it’s the approval is
not there we would try to think about other ways to do it you know okay great now with this proposal we’re
talking not just things that are going to happen in Upland tomorrow or next week or next month but you are really
talking about changes that are going to impact Upland very far down the line and
one of those being decentralization before we get into that I want to ask
about how Upland has really evolved from the time you wrote this white paper which was over three years ago it start
Upland started out as a property trading game and from there it has evolved to
what we see now with a lot more things with legits and cars and homes and
voting and there’s a lot of a lot more things some of the terms that you have mentioned in previous videos that you
have been a part of and and updates things like Layer Two Dev shops real-time movement for your block
Explorer interoperability the stem token 3D avatars and many other things I’m not
going to ask you specifically about all of those things but how does all of this tie in to your long-term vision and a
vision is you know the real anchor to what this game is we see in the short
term there being a lot of supposedly changes and someone outside might come
who came in looking at this as a property trading game is now seeing a lot more so how does this Encompass your
dream of what you see Upland becoming yeah so you said correctly that we
started out as a property trading game but even in the earliest phases and I think um you were there in Genesis week when
we showed kind of like our original pitch deck right which is totally legit so you saw already there the division
that we are acting on was set in place from the earliest days of the earliest conception of our plan yes we started
out from just the ability to buy and trade properties but ever since then for
the past three and a half years we’ve been diligently executing on that vision and to be honest we were fortunate enough to be able to do so as you know a
lot of startups and companies have to Pivot and make different changes throughout their evolution we were
fortunate to be able to actually I think both have Innovative uh ideas bring into
the table and also hit the market at the right time where you know nfts were becoming a Thing If you I don’t know if
you were there but in the early stages of Apple we did everything we could to hide the world nfts and blockchain
because nobody understood what it was and then at some point you know the the world turned to some sort of like a hype
phase so we brought that forward now there is a different sentiment again we’re going back to our bread and butter
but we we’ve always been executing on on that vision and that is a metaverse that
is uh mapped to the real world uh that serves as some sort of infrastructure
like layer one or we call it sometimes the lobby of the metaverse and that’s your starting point to get different
experiences all tying into an open Economy based on true ownership uh and
uh hopefully also Progressive decentralization that’s it’s funny that you mentioned
that you tried at the very beginning of the game to hide everything all of these words like nft and blockchain and those
types of things and when I joined Upland this was uh in April of 2011.
um sorry 2021 yeah um I joined not as a gamer and not as a
crypto person but someone who wanted to learn more about web3 and the blockchain and that so I joined when you were not
using these terms so it’s kind of funny from that perspective but you did a good
job of hiding it and now it’s very clear that you’re pushing those things to the Forefront to really talk about uh this
these Innovative things that you want to uh that you are implementing and part of
a startup in the web 3 metaverse blockchain space is that everything is
new everything is innovative and my next question really relates to how you go
about doing this Innovation can you explain a little bit about how it’s from done from the top down or maybe bottom
up and how these things connect at the very beginning and even throughout the city releases I’m sure people who were
there there were some instances where there was a lot of frustration on the uh user part because things didn’t work and
uh I I come from an innovation background as well I do this in my day-to-day job and it’s not easy can you
kind of explain to some people what the difficulties you have in just innovating
in this new spaces yeah it’s a great question and I have to start by saying that we have a team of
fantastic individuals that are making all of these things happen and like you said again we it’s like there’s no
Google cheat sheet right there’s no stack Overflow to a lot of the things that we’re doing because we are the you know in some things in some aspects we
are the very few or the only ones or the first ones to even attempt uh to do these kinds of things
um I think what drives us again I think if you look at this space in general there is a lot of room and a lot of uh
players in the space that operate kind of like in the uh let’s call it social Prestige slash um
um you know speculative type of Engagement and I think it has its place it has its utility uh it’s not something
that drives us uh as a company we’re more about trying to understand uh the
value proposition how did this all start right we we took a look at the value proposition of the technology of
blockchains and nft and true ownership and try to imagine um uh kind of technology and I always
say that once you understand it it also comes with the realization that the future of digital economies is going in
One Direction and that direction is true ownership there’s no turning back because even even if today nfts is not
the most intuitive technology for the average consumer to to utilize we strongly believe that in the future any
digital economy That Matters to anybody will utilize true ownership and nfts or
some kind of permutation or evolution of that technology so once you get that realization it becomes okay how do I
harness this technology this Innovation this new technology that wasn’t available to humanity before uh it’s its
Inception how do we translate that to value proposition to Consumers and then how do we get as many people as possible
to kind of like enjoy and realize the value proposition and then translate it into consumer products uh and that again
that ties together to the um to what we’re trying to do which is in fact just
trying to build the largest digital economy me or open Digital economy that the world has ever seen I know it’s a
lot to say but this is what drives us as a mission and I think like the more time
goes by the more you see actually the actual pathway of having achieved that that type of a very very uh you know
very very big uh you know uh achievement Milestone yeah that’s that’s fantastic
you know there’s the saying uh uh shoot for the stars and you might land on the moon so it’s very important to have a a
vision that is far enough away but something that you can visualize a path towards so that’s uh that’s really
exciting to hear um it’s nice to be on this journey and I think all of us all of the players who
are uh you know talking on Discord about this proposal and very very engaged and
very uh invested in it it’s something that’s really important as you mentioned from the web 3 and Community perspective
we might not all agree but it’s good that people are able to have these open discussions and really really connect
with each other absolutely you mentioned the value proposition and
I understand the value proposition of Upland but then you get into what you have said as Upland being the
entrepreneur’s metaverse so as an entrepreneur every person has to find
their own value proposition and how they fit within this metaverse and what they
can provide to other up lenders and to other people you have mentioned on many
occasions that we can expect to see that the property yields decreasing and when
that does people’s earnings within the game are also going to essentially decrease so what are some additional
ways that you can Envision in the future where us up lenders can replace those
earnings right now with other things that they can do absolutely and again I just want to
maybe double click on one point here that again in order to enjoy and and participate in the Upland gaming economy
you don’t necessarily have to be an entrepreneur right you can be easily consuming uh you know the native uh uh
game or some uh other features and services and games that uh that are put in place or you could be you know
whatever professional car race or or manage a driving school or whatever the point is that we are kind of like always
treat Upland as a platform that provides different opportunities for different players to extract different types of
value proposition a very proposition could be just entertainment value right that could be that’s a decent you know
there’s a whatever a half a trillion dollar industry of Gamers of gaming today where the the only proposition
that you get out of it is entertainment and that’s absolutely fine that that’s a good value to some degree some of the
other experience may be a mix of the two so if I am for example again if I don’t
have have the means to be a developer right or create experiences or I’m not a
designer and I can’t you know design nfts and produce them in Upland to be to be sold I can still absolutely maybe run
a car dealership or I can run a fleet of semi-trailer trucks and provide services
to other Upland that’s another you know term of like means of Entrepreneurship and the point here is that again when
you go into these it becomes clear that the the like if you imagine two opposite
sides one one is basically entrepreneurship and the other is entertainment it’s not a one or a zero
it’s a gradient meaning that if I’m an imaginary you know whatever semi-truck
Fleet operator right when I go into Upland to maybe fulfill working orders
or to kind of like uh you know get try to get my hands on more semi-trail tracks or again figure out what are the
optimized routes for delivery for different items that I need to fulfill it yeah I’m doing it as a sort of
Entrepreneurship but I’m also getting entertainment value out of it because maybe that’s my Escape for 30 minutes or
an hour a day kind of like getting from The Real World to the to the metaverse and and and playing there because if
it’s not fun if it’s not immersive again it’s it’s not going to be as engaging uh so again I’ve I’ve always seen this kind
of like thing as a gradient not like a binary thing are you entrepreneur or are you kind of like a gamer or getting
entertainment out of the game it’s always a mix of the two I think I think that that’s what makes Upland really
exciting that you can come into this space and just like in the real world you can do whatever you like there are
groups of people who enjoy dancing and groups of people who enjoy car racing and you can come in and do everything
theoretically I think it’s going to be very difficult to really get involved with everything but absolutely we can
see with these Partnerships there are different niches and new niches that are going to bring in those communities and
communities will be built around that as well absolutely that’s why it was important for us to launch the developer tools
because even if we don’t provide that as a value as the core layer of Upland you
can always come and complement that with either a team of developers again the the barriers of kind of like developing
experiences and developing games are going down and down each year we we kind of like we we progress so it becomes
easier and easier to develop games and experiences and now we’ve also lowered the barriers of actually tying web 3 and
nfts and true ownership in an economy to it by just using restful apis so that makes it even easier for you to come in
and complement and if you come in with a good strategy to Upland there’s a lot of upside to be had by basically taking
whatever you had in mind as a value proposition and I kind of like I jokingly like to call it web 35 right so
like take an existing offering and make a web 3 offering out of it using Upland as a platform great
um I want to change now and talk a little bit more about decentralization Upland is part of what we was just
announced and launched of the oma3 open metaverse Alliance and Upland is a
founding member of that community and your co-founder and by the way your co-founder Dirk was nominated to be the
uh first chairman is that correct um so can can you explain to everyone a
little bit about what uh the open metaverse Alliance is and why it’s
important for Upland to be a part of it yeah I’ll I’ll try to make it short
because because again I have my my own kind of like uh views on the matter if you consider
um okay people often ask like you you hear about the word metaverse right and the concept question what is the matter
of the metaverse with the capital M and the answer is it doesn’t exist yet so it’s been envisioned in like science
fictions and books and you know uh you know stuff like snow crust Etc but it doesn’t exist yet what we have today is
cyberspace and in cyberspace we have a lot of different you know social two Web Two web one experiences social media
there’s also games and what we call Meta versus with a small limb but they are not interconnected
to our point of view the metaverse will start becoming a real a reality it will be a subset of cyberspace and it will be
all of these worlds and games and metaverses with a small M that are interconnected in the way that you can
carry your identity between one to another and potentially also uh carry
your assets as well you’ll see the things that you own between wild world and another and this is where it’s going
to start shaping up now if you look at that subset let’s look at the future and and think for a second the metaphors
already exists there’s some sort of like uh the ability to carry your identity from place to place now it’s very clear
that this will comprise both open and closed worlds right so if you take a look at for example meta so matter today
that is a closed world right as at least as of today they will absolutely
participate in the metaverse but they may or may not be open to our point of
view the most exciting part of the future the metaverse with the Big M is the open part of it and that’s why we
are a huge proponent of now establishing what are the standards that make interoperability possible and we want to
make sure that they are also built with concepts of true ownership and decentralization to some to to some
extent of this uh because that’s the to us this is the most exciting part of of
the future of the metaverse and again it can take a lot of time these things don’t don’t come easily and don’t come
kind of like very very quickly but we want to make sure that we have these standards in place and just putting
together the standards themselves that’s something that could take years and years very interesting it’s uh great to hear
that Upland is becoming a leader in this space and really working with a lot of
these other big names like decentraland and the sandbox and Dapper Labs I I
think that’s they’re they’re also involved I mean we had the we had to think more than a thousand companies sign up to almost three including
Microsoft Etc so there’s a lot of yeah I mean and also almost three is going to participate
like I think for some degree of confidence in an equivalent uh metaverse Alliance uh that that is that is
happening so again we are not ignoring in any way any kind of like um standards
group or efforts that are not necessarily based on web 3 or true ownership the the idea is to work
together and collaborate towards the vision of the metaverse that’s going to come in the future right I I compare
this to a lot like social media we say there’s social media but you have Facebook and Instagram and Tick Tock and
Linkedin and when we say that there’s the metaverse you’re going to have Upland into Central land and sandbox and
many other ones that haven’t yet been created and people are going to find reasons to use multiple metaverses and
also really move those assets just like you had described so absolutely and Our
intention is again at least our ambition is that Upland becomes the de facto part
of the metaverse that is mapped to the real world so kind of like this non-fictional right uh side of the
metaverse with a big with a big app great so now if we start tying this in a
little bit to the uip the Upland Improvement proposal and I quote here from The Proposal that one of the goals
is to position the community for further decentralization by empowering the community pool to fund the Upland
operator can you take what we just discussed and talk about why this is
important and why myself or an average player might want that I can understand
From upland’s perspective but as someone who just owns you know one property or I
go and buy some legits why is decentralization an important factor for me in the long term
yeah so absolutely and again I I may want to maybe rephrase a part of what
you’re saying is that I think what’s most important for us is not necessarily again decentralization is not
necessarily the end game of everything it is one potential outcome that we want to kind of like maintain as a
possibility so we want to avoid making decisions and doing actions that would
conflict with a potential uh outcome of decentralization now why is it important
I think again you just go we can go back to the white paper right and what we put in there we’ve always done Vision so
what happens today today we have um a bit of a centralized approach where
Upland me Inc which is the company that runs uh the Upland metaverse this is the operator and the body that makes the
macroeconomic decisions are the same entity and that’s not necessarily a good
thing it’s not something that would uh promote a huge amount of trust in a very
very big economy that’s why for example in the United States as one example the central bank is separate from the
government these are separate entities right so separation in that aspect is good and again in our white paper we
always said that we envision the authority of being able to make economic
decisions in the airplane economy we don’t want that responsibility right we we have to assume it right now because
there was no other way than to start it in a centralized way but we’ve always said that that part needs to be
delegated out to an independent party now it may be the case that the very first permutation of this is still a
body that is independent but still centralized and just receives the Authority just for the sake of
Separation it may be the case that that body maybe gets elected by the community
so now you’re starting to get you know the sense of what is self-governance in terms of that right so it’s
unnecessarily that the community votes on everything which although it may be some kind of outcome it may also be the
case that the community just elects that separate body and it’s like more like a Metacritic system where people that are
qualified to make the decision gets elected and then make these decisions but the important Point here is that in
the future we see a separation of that Authority between the operator and uh basically that that Authority uh now if
you understand that kind of like Vision there has to be uh also the operator
needs to lose the ability the technical ability right to to contradict any
decision made by that central body so this is where we come to where potentially what we studied in the white
paper starts to conflict that notion because if the Opera Creator maintains the ability to meet new Apex to its
private pool that’s where we start seeing a potential future conflict and this is why the one of the first things
this means to achieve is that any new Optics that is minted is always minted
to the community pool now this realization brings another question okay so now there are there’s
an operator running how does that operator gain Optics that in order to be
able to sell to the community and then fund its operations because let’s face it operational costs a lot of money you
have to you know you have to pay salaries you have to invest in infrastructure you have to subsidize all all the blockchain fees right like
uplanders don’t pay gas fees why is that it’s very convenient but somebody needs to pay for it right so the operator the
business model of the operator is always the vision to be to sell Optics to to the players because of demand for Optics
uh and now it becomes a question okay how does that Apex make its way to the private pool of the operator and again
what makes sense the most to us is then the community pool if you imagine a decentralized future where the community
pool is kind of like the treasury of the entire Upland economy that’s how you compensate the operator by sending them
Apex which in turn they can then sell to communities uh it’s a bit of complicated
issue I understand that but again we are we’re seriously we’re trying to do to
make the right decisions uh for the future of this of this ecosystem of this economy and again just because of the
fact that it is that there is some conflict with what was originally written in the white paper that is why we are seeking the community’s approval
I was able to watch the video uh the other day of yourself and Dirk really
talking in and going into a little bit more details and and explaining this and I encourage everyone to uh first of all
read the proposal and watch some of these other videos as well these are absolutely uh complex things I’m not an
economist uh when I started creating uh YouTube videos for Upland you know I did
not uh necessarily see this situation where you know we’re going to be voting
on really important things which first of all is really exciting and really important but um you know a lot of
people are being pushed into positions uh of trying to really make sense of
this New Concept that are not not simple things not everyone’s an economist everyone has an opinion of what’s the
best way of not just running Upland but I’m sure their local economy and wherever whatever country that they live
in but it’s it’s really important to try and understand a lot of these things and
simplify things so it’s uh it’s a difficult task for everyone at hand I
think yeah and I’ve seen timing again uh I saw it a lot come up where some
players may not necessarily agree with our macroeconomic decisions which is
absolutely fine and a fair point and a point of discussion but what I fear is that name May translate then to uh to
kind of like making up your mind about what’s the right thing with regards to this specific vote and and these are two
basically separate things I think like everybody who wants or kind of like who wants to be in on these decisions right
would maybe disagrees with the microeconomic decisions and they want to have their input that’s exactly what
we’re trying to work towards potentially in the future to give that ability to weigh in on the on the macro economic uh
questions right so so again it’s a bit hard to compile but uh again our hopes
are that we’re able to make the information more palatable so people can make uh you know a you know conscious
decision about what’s what they think is going to be right or for the grand Upland economic ecosystem
um and um we’ll see how this plays out over the next week yeah as as I mentioned at the beginning of the video
I’m trying to really uh get people to understand the big Vision because right
now people are very excited about this upcoming announcement um you know the next city release the
next feature release uh you know just flipping a lot of properties and that’s
very short-term thinking now this proposal that you’re putting out how much implication does this have in the
short term and versus the medium and long term I think there is not a lot of
implication in the short term uh just because again the fact is that Upland is still centralized in terms of
its economic uh macroeconomic decision making that means that even even if we
were forced to print new Optics uh by Guidance of the community it doesn’t mean we need to inject it into the into
kind of like the the circulation that is owned by player wallets so that means that there’s probably not going to be
any short-term impact Our concern is more the long-term impact of the ability
to then in the future potentially take the route of further decentralization and this is predominantly what what
what’s most about with this current world so from that is it safe to say that everyone who’s talking about you
know the increased hopeful increase or potential decrease of property earnings
has absolutely nothing to do with this episode absolutely nothing with this world this will not change in any way uh
the macroeconomic decision of what is the right earning volume uh in our plan okay thank you for clarifying find that
another thing also because we’re dealing with a lot of complex Concepts when
we’re talking about moving the you talked about moving the Optics in this in the proposal from the community pool
into the Upland pool when I see people writing on Discord or
Reddit or wherever that is that you know you’re taking money the community pool is our pool we are the community in the
future if that is to be uh sent over to our responsibility then
we don’t want you taking from just taking from our pool how how do you respond to that so my response again
just to in the risk of oversimplifying things if we want to create a scenario we’re
really technically and by no double standards the community pool is our uh
pool right the communities pool and it’s up for the community to decide what to do with it and how then this is the only
pathway forward or some kind of like an equivalent permutation of it so the the reality today is that all of
the Apex that is either in the Upland pool or the community pool is technically owned by Upland meeting we
all the private keys right we are the technical owners of these uh of these uh pools
if we want to work to a potential future where the community actually can say and
backed up with fact that this is ours we feel that this is the best way forward uh because then the community will be
empowered potentially hey maybe to decide who who is the operator right maybe it’s not Upland me Inc for the
rest of Eternity going forward maybe there are several other operators that kind of like compete in order to provide
the best value to this community but again it always goes back to the fact that the way that they’re going to be
compensated is using the Opex token and and this is exactly what is what lies at
the heart of being able to move um uh Optics from the community pool to to the operator now again I want to
maybe make another Point Cleo yeah so the question in hand basically
is not whether or not apple and me gets funded with Optics this happens either way it’s a matter of how what is the
right mechanism of doing so that it’s going to be sustainable for the future and again just repeating that it from
our macroeconomic perspective there’s absolutely no need at this point in time to meet new Apex tokens there is
sufficient Apex tokens uh to run uh the up the current size of the Upland
economy and moreover there is more than sufficient funds in the community pool in relation to its size to the Apex held
by user wallets which is going to be the driving factor of the decision of
whether or not to Mint new Optics to the community pool in the hopes that the proposition gets adopted fantastic
um we talked about the idea of decentralization and one of the other goals for this uip proposal is again and
I quote protect the Integrity of the Upland Community by maintaining the current supply of Optics can you explain
in layman’s terms what exactly is meant by that and what we’re trying to accomplish
yeah and again I have seen some you know remarks that I I thought were unfortunate like something like that
Upland is fear-mongering or something like that that is absolutely not the case the the concern here is basically
um the original way that operand that Apex was to be produced to the Upland pool as depicted in the in the white
paper calls for the automatic minting of new Optics so this basically to our point of view can create a situation
where the Upland pool gets excessive in its sheer size of the amount of Optics
that it holds um this is because when you’re minting new epics you’re minting it equally to
the Upland pool as well as the community pool no so that third was not no we are absolutely not going to Mint uh if this
uh proposition gets rejected we are absolutely not going to make new Optics to the community so the main thing will
only go to the to the Upland pool at this point at least okay right because there’s absolutely no reason to expand
uh to do monetary expansion on the side of the community pool just because it’s size it’s currently huge in comparison
to what to Apex in circulation um so so so basically that means again
going back to our concern is that when um in a potential future when the
economic decisions are delegated to the community Our concern is that the sheer size of the community pool creates uh
kind of like translates to decision making that causes the over injection of
Apex into circulation and then the risk that you have there is just the
devaluation of the app currency and and this is our let’s call it long-term
concern and what we’re trying to avoid okay um I think that that was great I’ve
learned a lot in this discussion um is there anything else you wanted to add anything else that I didn’t cover
that you think is really important for this discussion and for people to really understand where Upland is heading in
the future maybe kind of like switching back the the mic here and asking you what what is
the data points that you think are important for you personally to be able to make this decision uh whether it’s a
yes or no um that’s a really good question I’ve been very active also uh talking with
people on Discord trying to understand their perspective I know that uh you have had some conversations with a
number of us content creators to also prepare us to help to explain what this
is because again I’m put in a position I don’t have an economic background I feel
like I do have a good understanding of Upland but I’m trying to make sense of all of this and I think that the video
that you uh and Dirk had created yesterday to clarify a lot of those things also this video right here and
I’m there you’re getting ready for another town hall which is going to be out before this video will be released
but I think just more uh discussions with you and more questions from other people will absolutely help because I
think uh Upland there as you mentioned I think there’s 300 000 landowners in
Upland if that’s correct and there’s a very small section of those people in
Discord or Twitter or wherever you happen to be and even within the people who are part of these uh these platforms
there’s a very small amount of those people who are extremely active and and
uh have passionate ideas about this so we do need to hear from more people I
believe and also there’s been a lot of discussion without you guys entering into the picture and now you guys uh
yourself and and Dirk and the Upland team now it appears that you are starting to enter into the discussion
and I think we have been waiting for this moment to really hear from the horse’s mouth exactly whether it be
debunking some of these myths or explaining you know what we’ve talked about now so uh absolutely and the
reasoning was again we we wanted to literally hear what the community has to say what are the concerns what are kind
of like the um you know the the uh what are the reasoning for people who think about
voting no what are the reasoning so we can address them so again it was always the intention to actually engage the
community uh put out as much information as we can and then let people make the decision okay well thank you very much
for uh for joining me in this discussion it was really helpful hopefully uh
everyone else really enjoyed this as well I have a lot of videos talking about the Upland economy and essentially
everything you need to know about Upland whether it be legits or cars or property trading or finding a basic strategy and
you know the vision that you are trying to explain helps me a lot to try and
break this down because everyone comes into Upland as you said for a different reason and they need to really find
their Niche and what works for them so I hope that my content is something that
is able to help people to really find the direction that they want to head into Upland so thank you once again and
uh I look forward to seeing you more on a lot of other videos and learning more about the economy and seeing how Upland
progresses this is really exciting time thank you Eden awesome thank you appreciate your time